APPLE MACBOOK PRO 16" INTEL CORE I7 2.6GHZ / 16GB RAM / 512GB SSD

Alexander_

14.12.2023

Quote from: Eugene on December 11, 2023, 09:47:52 Quote from: Eugene on December 11, 2023, 09:47:52 Asus ROG Zephyrus M16 (2023) [GU604VY and next] The dimensions (and design) are very similar. The battery is the same. Asus will have a significant advantage in graphics performance thanks to the 4090. Conversely, due to the gluttonous Intel package, the autonomy will be significantly worse than the M3 (especially with light loads). The power supply (as well as the consumption itself) is larger on the Asus, although it can also be powered by USB-C 100W. The speaker system is as good as in the MacBook Pro. An additional touch is a separate "AniMe Matrix" screen. Yes, it will cost, most likely, about $1k more than a MacBook (there are also different configurations). And somewhat louder in terms of emissions. However, it can be serviced, components can be changed, and it has a better screen (it already has a matte MiniLED with good speed). The dimensions (and design) are very similar. The battery is the same. Asus will have a significant advantage in graphics performance thanks to the 4090. Conversely, due to the gluttonous Intel package, the autonomy will be significantly worse than the M3 (especially with light loads). The power supply (as well as the consumption itself) is larger on the Asus, although it can also be powered by USB-C 100W. The speaker system is as good as in the MacBook Pro. An additional touch is a separate "AniMe Matrix" screen. Yes, it will cost, most likely, about $1k more than a MacBook (there are also different configurations). And somewhat louder in terms of emissions. However, it can be serviced, components can be changed, and it has a better screen (it already has a matte MiniLED with good speed). So there is actually an alternative. The question is what is more critical for the consumer: autonomy, whether the OS is full-fledged (Windows), omnivorous games and video content (hardware and without dancing with a tambourine), or portability. Savings in neither of them will be significant. In one, the price is better at first, but the service is worse. Otherwise, there is native support for the OS, where there is a variety of programs that may be more profitable than for apple counterparts. One will be more suitable for specialists of narrow use of laptops. The other laptop is fine for anything, but it's louder.

RobertJasiek

11.12.2023

Quote from: NikoB on December 11, 2023, 19:15:04 Quote from: NikoB on December 11, 2023, 19:15:04 Delaware? Caimen Islands? Hm.

NikoB

11.12.2023

Quote from: Eugene on December 11, 2023, 12:34:32 Quote from: Eugene on December 11, 2023, 12:34:32 Once again, it was not about balancing the parameters of a certain universal laptop, to which Apple is technically closest, but about pure performance - here the x86 wins by a huge margin, including in price. n terms of absolute performance from the outlet, x86 laptops from AMD are in the lead by a huge margin. This is what I proved earlier, and the difference in price is simply huge - a fully packaged L5Pro with 7945HX+4060 64GB/8TB(4+4) costs around $2000 (I can right now order exactly this configuration from China and adding memory and SSD as Since I'll spend about $2,000 in my country, the problems of customs duties in other countries don't bother me at all), as I wrote. And it will definitely be 1.5 times faster than the top-end Mac 2023 in most scenarios for both work and entertainment, with a difference of more than 3 times in price, at least.

Eugene

11.12.2023

Quote from: Neenyah on December 11, 2023, 14:23:26 Quote from: Neenyah on December 11, 2023, 14:23:26 P1 G6 has also a 165 Hz screen option It's not for you, it for NikoB, also it not my question, for me it good price for good product

Neenyah

11.12.2023

Quote from: Eugene on December 11, 2023, 14:08:17 Quote from: Eugene on December 11, 2023, 14:08:17 P1 G6 has also a 165 Hz screen option Edit: Here it is. Quote from: Neenyah on November 29, 2023, 13:53:06 Quote from: Neenyah on November 29, 2023, 13:53:06 Quote from: NikoB on November 29, 2023, 13:44:21 Quote from: NikoB on November 29, 2023, 13:44:21 in USD In China Edit: I went to check your claims I went to check your claims Screenshot 😀😀 Screenshot 😀😀 but mate, come on, why are you saying that to me? If you check the previous convo (not sure if it was here or in another M3 MBP thread) you will see that I was also genuinely amused by that nonexisting $1200 gaming laptop ($2000 is closer to its current offer but NikoB is conveniently forgetting import taxes, VAT and stuff like that, just to push his narrative).

Eugene

11.12.2023

Quote from: Neenyah on December 11, 2023, 13:01:23 Quote from: Neenyah on December 11, 2023, 13:01:23 Yes, good variant: ThinkPad P1 Gen 6 CPU i7-13800H (performance roughly equal to M3 Pro), GPU NVIDIA® RTX™ 3500 (performance between RTX 4070 and 4080 laptop, yes it faster then M3 Max GPU), 32Gb RAM, 1Tb SSD, 4k OLED (but only 400 nits and 60Hz) - $3249 How greedy is Lenovo, why didn't they make it price the same as a cheap $1200-$1500 gaming laptop?

Neenyah

11.12.2023

Quote from: Eugene on December 11, 2023, 09:47:52 Quote from: Eugene on December 11, 2023, 09:47:52 ThinkPad P1, literal direct competitor (better in some ways, worse in some other ways, they are very equal overall). Same as the X1 Carbon is there to compete with all variants of the MacBook Air and some MB Pros 14.

Eugene

11.12.2023

Quote from: NikoB on December 11, 2023, 11:00:02 Quote from: NikoB on December 11, 2023, 11:00:02 Productivity in what, in games or in work tasks? Do you have a Macbook or are you just looking at benchmarks? When choosing a device, pure performance doesn't make much sense without other parameters. Apple has never announced or released products in the segment of cheap gaming laptops, it is a completely different product category where other rules apply. If you don't understand how the market works and why devices as rules are segmented into different categories, then there is nothing to talk to you about. As for the fact that most people buy cheap windows laptops, I think it is quite obvious, but not because they are better, but because they don't have money for more expensive and better devices. I just gave you an example that devices from one premium segment are quite expensive regardless of the manufacturer, be it HP, Dell, Lenovo, Asus or Apple, everyone prices their products quite expensive. But other manufacturers also have a line of cheap laptops and Apple does not, they are not interested in that market. But whining that Apple doesn't make laptops in the cheap segment is unhealthy.

NikoB

11.12.2023

Apple wins only in autonomy time and balanced battery performance. That not only has never been disputed by me, but this is precisely what I emphasized. Nevertheless, at the prices that they sell and the upgrade opportunities, most people are not interested in Apple laptops and do not buy them. This is why x86 has reigned supreme on the market for over 30 years. Just like Windows, despite all the efforts of red-eyed figures in Linux. The market really decided everything. It's Apple's destiny to coopt up wealthy pinocchios and kleptocratic circles in most countries outside the US/EU, and even there, more than half of the population does not buy Apple. What any expert familiar with the local laptop markets knows.